Episode 28: Hate Adjacent

On this episode...I revisit "The Hate Project" episode 32 which originally aired on July 29, 2013. Interview with a former member of a white nationalist group who still holds many of the beliefs in the movement. Other topics check the time stamps below!

*00:00 - Intro to Episode.  Topics include:
-Never Again Action direct protest of ICE detention centers: https://www.neveragainaction.com
-The ecosystem that sustains white supremacists
-how well-meaning liberals maintain racial stereotypes and hierarchies 
-the futility of winning over bigoted hearts and minds

 *18:29 - Hate Project Ep. 32 begins
-guest host Carlos Danger, abstinence-only educator

*18:29 - Discussion of Derek Black leaving the white nationalist movement and debunking many of the movement's beliefs. 
 -Discussion/Debate of white privilege with people in the chat room, including the Peggy McIntosh white privilege essay.

*51:00 - "Kennewick Man" calls in – former member of the National Alliance Neo-nazi group. Left the group but still maintains the beliefs. 
-KM left the group only because he felt betrayed by leadership…and he was dating an Asian woman.
-I challenge the hypocrisy of dating an Asian woman while he would not be happy with an Asian man dating a white woman.
-KM reveals that he writes financial articles, at the time of this interview he was writing an article for someone who is possibly well known, didn’t want to reveal who.  
-Even though no longer in the white nationalist movement, KM still believes in separation of races
-KM explains that he became a neo-Nazi because he felt alienated from the Mexicans around him growing up in Southern Texas, and wanted to connect to his German heritage. I share that I was picked on by white people because of my skin, and I didn’t join a hate group.  
-Discussion of what is "white".
-I challenge KM's white nationalist alignment and how it conflicts with him living in Asia.
-KM describes having a difficult time living in Taiwan, demonstrates an inappropriately and unearned super-entitled attitude about it, brags about getting a free ride in China and Korea.  I challenge him by saying a lot of immigrants in America are going through what he went through, and worse. 

*1:51:00 - "Non-Member" calls in, possibly meant to be a prank call, asks Kennewick's advice on dating Asian women. 

*1:57:04 - Outro

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References from episode:

Never Again Action: https://www.neveragainaction.com

Derek Black: https://www.npr.org/2018/09/24/651052970/how-a-rising-star-of-white-nationalism-broke-free-from-the-movement

Peggy McIntosh, white privilege: https://www.racialequitytools.org/resourcefiles/mcintosh.pdf

Marcus Epstein, white nationalist who writes for WSJ, Forbes: https://boingboing.net/2019/06/18/ex-gop-staffer-who-wrote-for-w.html

Katie McHugh, former Alt-righter: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rosiegray/katie-mchugh

Music:  
Gnossienne no. 1 by International Surrealist Bulletinis licensed under a CC0 1.0 Universal License.
Remedy for Melancholy by Kai Engel is licensed under a Attribution License.